Patriots 7/18 Chat Transcript - Part 1

The open chat Tuesday night contained loads of information for fans eager for news before the start of training camp. Warpaint Illustrated's Nick Athan stopped by to share some insider info on Ty Law, and the latest news coming out of Kansas City. The chat was lengthy, as Insiders touched on multiple topics. This first segment covers Ty Law and the Patriots secondary.

Patriots 7/18 Chat Transcript- Part 1

Chat start:
<JSinCT> Garrett Mills signed today... which was expected
<JSinCT> He's the third pick to actually sign, but the others are in process

<DisplacedPatsFan> Any of our picks reluctant to sign?

<JSinCT> From what we've been told, you can expect nearly everyone except the first-rounders signed by early next week

<DisplacedPatsFan> That's cool.

<TNPatsFan> good to hear that

<JSinCT> The day two guys should all be done by the weekend I was told by one source
<JSinCT> The day one guys a little longer, but not much. There's really not much wiggle room for them until the first round due to the nature of the CBA

<JSinCT> OK everyone ... Chiefs Insider is Nick from Warpaint Illustrated
<JSinCT> He's only here for a little while, so please ask your Ty Law questions
<DisplacedPatsFan> Welcome ChiefsInsider.

<ChiefsInsider> Hello All... How's everyone doing?
<ChiefsInsider> It's great to be here with everyone

<Morpheus> Hey Nick....a pleasure to have you here
<Morpheus> Ty Law update

<ChiefsInsider> So you guys having fun with all the Ty Law drama..

<DisplacedPatsFan> Was easier to figure out who shot JR.

<ChiefsInsider> That's funny..

<Morpheus> <----- tired of the Ty Law stuff.....I've told people he will not sign until after 2 a days are over

<ChiefsInsider> Morpheus are you really John Clayton?

<JSinCT> Nick, why don't we go ahead and set the background with the Ty Law info first

<DisplacedPatsFan> What are some of the inside feelings from the Chiefs about having Law?

<ChiefsInsider> I think the Chiefs feel that they've got a real strong chance to sign him...

<JSinCT> As some of the regulars know... Law has been in discussions about a landing a job between both teams, the Pats and the Chiefs...

<DisplacedPatsFan> Maybe we could get him every other Sunday!

<ChiefsInsider> I don't think this will drag out if it does I can't see the Chiefs waiting too long for him to make up his mind.

<ChiefsInsider> At this point I think Chiefs fans would take every other week

<Morpheus> John Clayton said today on NFL Live he thinks Law will come back to the Patriots. He is quoted as saying that is the smart choice

<JSinCT> Nick, would you say that the info coming out that the Patriots are stepping up their negotiations throws a wrench in the Chiefs plans?

<ChiefsInsider> That's his opinion and at the end of the day that's what he's been saying all along.
<ChiefsInsider> But he gets his info from the agent side and from what I had from the team side is that the Patriots were in NO hurry to make him an offer

<Morpheus> I feel that Law will end up in KC although most of the media are now on the Law is going back to the Patriots bandwagon

<TNPatsFan> seems like all the espn guys think he's going to the pats

<wvsabbath> I hope the pats are more worried about the wr's then ty law

<ChiefsInsider> Chiefs knew that New England was a player for Law but I can't help but think if it comes down to coaches then I think Edwards gets the nod. However if the money is better at one place or another, then Law grabs the cash

<TNPatsFan> ""back to the pats"" probably makes a better story, so that's what they hope will happen

<Guest80> Hi everyone, I am big Chiefs fan, all I can say from a fans point of view, is I can't wait for this saga to be over

<DisplacedPatsFan> Guest80....I am with you...can't wait for the drama to be over.

<Morpheus> But then again most of them are reporting things that the Patriots Insiders has already said for months....go figure

<JSinCT> Nick, so do you think the Chiefs have the space to sign him?

<ChiefsInsider> I like John Clayton but when it comes to the Poston Brothers, they spew so much hash around that its anyone's guess.
<ChiefsInsider> I have some good sources around the NFL and the Chiefs... Now I'm not saying who he will sign with but I do believe that this matter will be resolved before the start of training camp.

<Guest80> I hope so, if he takes this to two a days, I might go nuts...that’s another 3 weeks or so

<Morpheus> Nick in your opinion, if Ty wants to cement his status as a HOFer...where is the best place for him to sign? Not saying he won't make the HOF as he currently stands...what is your opinion, Chiefs or Patriots?

<ChiefsInsider> It is DRAMA and Law loves it... He, in my book, is still the best free agent from last year’s class and he knows it as well.

<TNPatsFan> I still think the Colts are going to pull a Vinatieri and surprise everyone again

<ChiefsInsider> I think he's in the HOF no matter what. Three Super Bowls, a clutch player and I think it'll matter very little in regards to the group that selects the players into the HOF. He's one in my book regardless if he hangs on too long like Deion Sanders did.

<Guest159> JS any interesting tidbits????

<JSinCT> ON Law... the word is that he's really only considering two teams [Patriots - Chiefs].
<JSinCT> the concern I have is cap space and guaranteed money

<Guest159> figures

<JSinCT> We know the Patriots are not happy with their secondary from last year.

<TNPatsFan> there is really no benefit in him dragging it out much longer, is there? Unless they are hoping another team jumps in to the picture.

<ChiefsInsider> He'll get his money one way or the other... I think in the end it'll take about $8.5 to get the deal done.. (Guaranteed Dollars that is)

<Morpheus> Law will have a contract signed either right before or right after the first exhibition game.

<ChiefsInsider> I can't see it taking that long. If that's the case, then the Patriots have the edge. But I was told that he wants to sign before the start of training camp...

<JSinCT> Nick, can you elaborate a little on the timing of the deal?
<JSinCT> We hear he wants to wait till camp starts, for obvious reasons

<ChiefsInsider> If its KC he needs to get to camp right now and the Chiefs might not want to add him after the first exhibition game. The chiefs only have four days between their first two pre-season games.

<DisplacedPatsFan> With the price of gas going up, I'm surprised he isn't holding out for the full 10mil.

<TNPatsFan> when does chiefs camp start, the 28th?

<ChiefsInsider> He asked for a lot more than that...

<Guest80> Do you think that him waiting so long has a lot to do with the Postons’ possible lawsuit, or is this just them posturing trying to get more money?

<DisplacedPatsFan> I wasn't aware of the Nick..thanks.

<Morpheus> I've been hearing the same thing JS....I'm hearing he will not sign before training camps starts

<ChiefsInsider> Hey guys I have to run... I'll try and join you next week. Go PATS!!! and Chiefs!!!

<JSinCT> Thanks Nick

<DisplacedPatsFan> Thank you muchly Nick!!

<Morpheus> Thanks for coming Nick

<DisplacedPatsFan> Best of luck to the Chiefs!

<JSinCT> Guys, you can keep tabs on the Insider info coming out of KC with Warpaint Illustrated... the Chiefs site on the Scout.com network

<DisplacedPatsFan> Cool.

<JSinCT> Nick has been instrumental in keeping tabs on a lot of KC connections affecting New England

<JSinCT> Including the Warfield signing.

<Morpheus> One has to wonder about teams and how much they are willing to spend.... word is that the owners, as soon as it is legally possible (like in 3 years?), will demand to redo the CBA and it could have a major effect on small market teams

<JSinCT> Morph, I think it has more to do with reigning in the growth of expenditures
<JSinCT> Most owners realize that it doe not benefit the league to create disparity.
<JSinCT> Back to Law though...
<JSinCT> One thing that we're hearing about Law is that the cap consideration may be something, which determines where and when he'll sign

<DisplacedPatsFan> Any word what the Pats are offering Law?

<Morpheus> hmmmm you could be very well correct JS.....heard Gene Upshaw wants to go out with a bang...and this is the bang....that’s all I know right now

<JSinCT> The Patriots have more cap space than KC... 15 million vs the Chiefs estimate $9 million
<JSinCT> KC has about 3.5 million allocated to the rookie pool

<TNPatsFan> the Chiefs will have to redo some other contracts I hear, but the pats wouldn't have to

<Morpheus> and the Chiefs redid a contract to get to 9 mil right?

<JSinCT> the Pats have a little over $4 million
<JSinCT> Willie Roaf
<JSinCT> They're trying to free up more space, and if you check out the insider section on Warpaint, you can read about how that is going
<JSinCT> The thing is... New England has the space... TN you're correct, NE can throw more $ at Law at the moment, depending on what happens with Branch

<Morpheus> They may redo Roehl’s contract....lol

<wvsabbath> hah

<JSinCT> Although their rookie pool is bigger, they actually have a little over $6 million

<TNPatsFan> yeah, spread his $1,000 signing bonus out over five years

<Guest159> they better.... are you still carrying roehl's jock... morph ... lol

<DisplacedPatsFan> They will add free Duke Xcross season tickets to Roehls's deal.

<JSinCT> Roehl... a chat is never the same without a discussion about Roehl

<Morpheus> that’s what Roehls has on his cleats ...
<Morpheus> anywho...if the Pats don’t sign LAW.... where will they go?

<wvsabbath> Randall Gay!!

<JSinCT> Do you mean who will start?

<TNPatsFan> if they DO sign law, gay might be the one who loses his job

<JSinCT> Hank Poteat is firmly on that bubble

<Morpheus> The Pats need some physical corners...Samuels is short and light too small for me.... he gets burnt when WR's get physical he can't match up with anyone

<Morpheus> Poteat should be on the bubble...he doesn't belong in the NFL IMHO never mind for our Patriots

- Continued -

Note: the Chat lasted over an hour with topics ranging from Ty Law to Deion Branch to injury concerns. Check back for more transcipts, or visit the Insider lounge for the complete listing of Tuesday's transcripts.

If you can't make the next chat (see schedule), be sure to send in your questions and we'll ask them for you. Email us here:

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Patriots 7/18 Chat Transcript- Part 1

Chat start:
<JSinCT> Garrett Mills signed today... which was expected
<JSinCT> He's the third pick to actually sign, but the others are in process

<DisplacedPatsFan> Any of our picks reluctant to sign?

<JSinCT> From what we've been told, you can expect nearly everyone except the first-rounders signed by early next week

<DisplacedPatsFan> That's cool.

<TNPatsFan> good to hear that

<JSinCT> The day two guys should all be done by the weekend I was told by one source
<JSinCT> The day one guys a little longer, but not much. There's really not much wiggle room for them until the first round due to the nature of the CBA

<JSinCT> OK everyone ... Chiefs Insider is Nick from Warpaint Illustrated
<JSinCT> He's only here for a little while, so please ask your Ty Law questions
<DisplacedPatsFan> Welcome ChiefsInsider.

<ChiefsInsider> Hello All... How's everyone doing?
<ChiefsInsider> It's great to be here with everyone

<Morpheus> Hey Nick....a pleasure to have you here
<Morpheus> Ty Law update

<ChiefsInsider> So you guys having fun with all the Ty Law drama..

<DisplacedPatsFan> Was easier to figure out who shot JR.

<ChiefsInsider> That's funny..

<Morpheus> <----- tired of the Ty Law stuff.....I've told people he will not sign until after 2 a days are over

<ChiefsInsider> Morpheus are you really John Clayton?

<JSinCT> Nick, why don't we go ahead and set the background with the Ty Law info first

<DisplacedPatsFan> What are some of the inside feelings from the Chiefs about having Law?

<ChiefsInsider> I think the Chiefs feel that they've got a real strong chance to sign him...

<JSinCT> As some of the regulars know... Law has been in discussions about a landing a job between both teams, the Pats and the Chiefs...

<DisplacedPatsFan> Maybe we could get him every other Sunday!

<ChiefsInsider> I don't think this will drag out if it does I can't see the Chiefs waiting too long for him to make up his mind.

<ChiefsInsider> At this point I think Chiefs fans would take every other week

<Morpheus> John Clayton said today on NFL Live he thinks Law will come back to the Patriots. He is quoted as saying that is the smart choice

<JSinCT> Nick, would you say that the info coming out that the Patriots are stepping up their negotiations throws a wrench in the Chiefs plans?

<ChiefsInsider> That's his opinion and at the end of the day that's what he's been saying all along.
<ChiefsInsider> But he gets his info from the agent side and from what I had from the team side is that the Patriots were in NO hurry to make him an offer

<Morpheus> I feel that Law will end up in KC although most of the media are now on the Law is going back to the Patriots bandwagon

<TNPatsFan> seems like all the espn guys think he's going to the pats

<wvsabbath> I hope the pats are more worried about the wr's then ty law

<ChiefsInsider> Chiefs knew that New England was a player for Law but I can't help but think if it comes down to coaches then I think Edwards gets the nod. However if the money is better at one place or another, then Law grabs the cash

<TNPatsFan> ""back to the pats"" probably makes a better story, so that's what they hope will happen

<Guest80> Hi everyone, I am big Chiefs fan, all I can say from a fans point of view, is I can't wait for this saga to be over

<DisplacedPatsFan> Guest80....I am with you...can't wait for the drama to be over.

<Morpheus> But then again most of them are reporting things that the Patriots Insiders has already said for months....go figure

<JSinCT> Nick, so do you think the Chiefs have the space to sign him?

<ChiefsInsider> I like John Clayton but when it comes to the Poston Brothers, they spew so much hash around that its anyone's guess.
<ChiefsInsider> I have some good sources around the NFL and the Chiefs... Now I'm not saying who he will sign with but I do believe that this matter will be resolved before the start of training camp.

<Guest80> I hope so, if he takes this to two a days, I might go nuts...that’s another 3 weeks or so

<Morpheus> Nick in your opinion, if Ty wants to cement his status as a HOFer...where is the best place for him to sign? Not saying he won't make the HOF as he currently stands...what is your opinion, Chiefs or Patriots?

<ChiefsInsider> It is DRAMA and Law loves it... He, in my book, is still the best free agent from last year’s class and he knows it as well.

<TNPatsFan> I still think the Colts are going to pull a Vinatieri and surprise everyone again

<ChiefsInsider> I think he's in the HOF no matter what. Three Super Bowls, a clutch player and I think it'll matter very little in regards to the group that selects the players into the HOF. He's one in my book regardless if he hangs on too long like Deion Sanders did.

<Guest159> JS any interesting tidbits????

<JSinCT> ON Law... the word is that he's really only considering two teams [Patriots - Chiefs].
<JSinCT> the concern I have is cap space and guaranteed money

<Guest159> figures

<JSinCT> We know the Patriots are not happy with their secondary from last year.

<TNPatsFan> there is really no benefit in him dragging it out much longer, is there? Unless they are hoping another team jumps in to the picture.

<ChiefsInsider> He'll get his money one way or the other... I think in the end it'll take about $8.5 to get the deal done.. (Guaranteed Dollars that is)

<Morpheus> Law will have a contract signed either right before or right after the first exhibition game.

<ChiefsInsider> I can't see it taking that long. If that's the case, then the Patriots have the edge. But I was told that he wants to sign before the start of training camp...

<JSinCT> Nick, can you elaborate a little on the timing of the deal?
<JSinCT> We hear he wants to wait till camp starts, for obvious reasons

<ChiefsInsider> If its KC he needs to get to camp right now and the Chiefs might not want to add him after the first exhibition game. The chiefs only have four days between their first two pre-season games.

<DisplacedPatsFan> With the price of gas going up, I'm surprised he isn't holding out for the full 10mil.

<TNPatsFan> when does chiefs camp start, the 28th?

<ChiefsInsider> He asked for a lot more than that...

<Guest80> Do you think that him waiting so long has a lot to do with the Postons’ possible lawsuit, or is this just them posturing trying to get more money?

<DisplacedPatsFan> I wasn't aware of the Nick..thanks.

<Morpheus> I've been hearing the same thing JS....I'm hearing he will not sign before training camps starts

<ChiefsInsider> Hey guys I have to run... I'll try and join you next week. Go PATS!!! and Chiefs!!!

<JSinCT> Thanks Nick

<DisplacedPatsFan> Thank you muchly Nick!!

<Morpheus> Thanks for coming Nick

<DisplacedPatsFan> Best of luck to the Chiefs!

<JSinCT> Guys, you can keep tabs on the Insider info coming out of KC with Warpaint Illustrated... the Chiefs site on the Scout.com network

<DisplacedPatsFan> Cool.

<JSinCT> Nick has been instrumental in keeping tabs on a lot of KC connections affecting New England

<JSinCT> Including the Warfield signing.

<Morpheus> One has to wonder about teams and how much they are willing to spend.... word is that the owners, as soon as it is legally possible (like in 3 years?), will demand to redo the CBA and it could have a major effect on small market teams

<JSinCT> Morph, I think it has more to do with reigning in the growth of expenditures
<JSinCT> Most owners realize that it doe not benefit the league to create disparity.
<JSinCT> Back to Law though...
<JSinCT> One thing that we're hearing about Law is that the cap consideration may be something, which determines where and when he'll sign

<DisplacedPatsFan> Any word what the Pats are offering Law?

<Morpheus> hmmmm you could be very well correct JS.....heard Gene Upshaw wants to go out with a bang...and this is the bang....that’s all I know right now

<JSinCT> The Patriots have more cap space than KC... 15 million vs the Chiefs estimate $9 million
<JSinCT> KC has about 3.5 million allocated to the rookie pool

<TNPatsFan> the Chiefs will have to redo some other contracts I hear, but the pats wouldn't have to

<Morpheus> and the Chiefs redid a contract to get to 9 mil right?

<JSinCT> the Pats have a little over $4 million
<JSinCT> Willie Roaf
<JSinCT> They're trying to free up more space, and if you check out the insider section on Warpaint, you can read about how that is going
<JSinCT> The thing is... New England has the space... TN you're correct, NE can throw more $ at Law at the moment, depending on what happens with Branch

<Morpheus> They may redo Roehl’s contract....lol

<wvsabbath> hah

<JSinCT> Although their rookie pool is bigger, they actually have a little over $6 million

<TNPatsFan> yeah, spread his $1,000 signing bonus out over five years

<Guest159> they better.... are you still carrying roehl's jock... morph ... lol

<DisplacedPatsFan> They will add free Duke Xcross season tickets to Roehls's deal.

<JSinCT> Roehl... a chat is never the same without a discussion about Roehl

<Morpheus> that’s what Roehls has on his cleats ...
<Morpheus> anywho...if the Pats don’t sign LAW.... where will they go?

<wvsabbath> Randall Gay!!

<JSinCT> Do you mean who will start?

<TNPatsFan> if they DO sign law, gay might be the one who loses his job

<JSinCT> Hank Poteat is firmly on that bubble

<Morpheus> The Pats need some physical corners...Samuels is short and light too small for me.... he gets burnt when WR's get physical he can't match up with anyone

<Morpheus> Poteat should be on the bubble...he doesn't belong in the NFL IMHO never mind for our Patriots

- Continued -

Note: the Chat lasted over an hour with topics ranging from Ty Law to Deion Branch to injury concerns. Check back for more transcipts, or visit the Insider lounge for the complete listing of Tuesday's transcripts.

If you can't make the next chat (see schedule), be sure to send in your questions and we'll ask them for you. Email us here:

Related: More Draft talk here in the Patriots Message Boards | More Patriots Articles

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