Red = PI Contributor John Ingoldsby
Blue = PI Insider/Analyst Jon Scott
<Morpheus> = Moderator
This chat was held Wednesday night June 6, 2007 at 9pm.
The next chat is this wednesday at 9 also. Check the Forums for specifics
<Morpheus> Randy Moss is wearing number 6.....
<Morpheus> but how will he fit in?
<JohnIngoldsby> The media mass for Randy Moss today was off the charts, Peter King, USA Today, NBC sports.com, NFL Network
<JohnIngoldsby> The circle had formed before Randy even entered, and the jockeying for position was intense
<NavyGoat> why did TV CT Chan. 8 say, ""If he can act like a person?""
<Morpheus> I heard it was liken to a playoff game with the media coverage John
<NavyGoat> looked like a scrum in a rugby game to me
<JSinCT> I was elbowed by a media member, but was able to look over him to see Randy
<JSinCT> so it was all good
<NavyGoat> I wonder who braids his hair...
<JohnIngoldsby> I saw Randy between a bunch of elbows and arms
<JohnIngoldsby> Rugby analogy right on
<Morpheus> Randy was quoted as saying this may be his last interview or that he won't be talking as much
<JohnIngoldsby> Randy said I don't really plan on being too much in front of this mic all year.
<Guest59> I got a question
<JSinCT> go 59
<Guest59> Was Chad Jackson seen?
<JSinCT> 59, No he's not around
<JSinCT> he hasn't been to camp yet.
<JSinCT> At least not publicly. We're told he's busy rehabbing the injury, but Belichick is mum on the status
<Guest99> Is Richard Seymour there?
<JohnIngoldsby> Richard Seymour has not been on the field, but I was at his press conference for Marquise Hill last Thursday. He looked great, and walked fine. He is reportedly having a knee problem
<Nanaman28> With the fiasco that we can now call as Asante turns ... what is the latest around mini camp I have heard from the players but I am sure it is like cracking into fort knox but what are the big wigs saying?
<JSinCT> Nana - Asante Samuel
<JSinCT> I'll let john answer that
Nanaman28> Okay jon
<JSinCT> John, what's your take on everyone's reaction to Samuel?
<JohnIngoldsby> The players are all saying that it is between Asante and the organization, and they are just going about their jobs
<Guest99> they will trade him no way he returns
<Nanaman28> John how about the front office .. even though I know they are always tight lipped but have you heard from
<JSinCT> Nana - Not much coming from the front office. We've been hearing that they want to get something done
<JohnIngoldsby> Front office is not saying a word, and Belichick said yesterday that he is only talking about the players in camp.
<Nanaman28> Okay sorry thought I would give it a whirl .. wishful thinking I guess ...
<JSinCT> What I was told by a league source was that They don't want another Branch scenario, so they're probably going to really try to work something out
<JSinCT> We'll see. I'm not too optimistic
<Morpheus> me either john
<Guest59> I doubt he will be back.
<Morpheus> ii mean JS
<JohnIngoldsby> The Asante situation feels like the sequel to Deion, so I will be surprised if we ever see him in a Patriots uniform again
<TNPatsFan> they're not going to sit around and let him hold out all year are they? wouldn't they rather trade him?
<Morpheus> I don't think branch had a ""get paid"" tattoo like Samuel
<Nanaman28> I agree John .. I don't see it happening .. we all know what happens when players try to push Bill around
<JohnIngoldsby> I believe they may trade him if they can get value
<Morpheus> and i still say he has one helluva nerve for wanting top corner money for performing one year
<JSinCT> TN, I'll let John speak to that, but I have that question headed to James Lavin (Management Secrets of the New England Patriots).
<TNPatsFan> i think they need another CB even with Asante. Are they looking for any right now?
<JohnIngoldsby> Nanaman, I agree and believe once bad blood starts, it's the beginning of the end.
<JSinCT> I was called by a Jets beat guy who wanted to know if the Pats had backups in place in case Samuel does sit out. We believe they do
<Morpheus> would the patriots make a trade with oakland perhaps and get their young corner?
<Guest59> James, Gay, Scott, Richardson,
<imsickofnextyear> What about Oliver in the Sup. draft?
<Guest59> Will O'Callaghan be starting at RT this season? Hows it lookin for the former Cal Bear.
<JSinCT> 59 - I was watching the line the past two days and from what I can tell, Kaczur has the job at RT for now. O'Callaghan had reps with the second unit at RT, Britt at LT with the 2's
<Nanaman28> I heard that the Jets are showing interest in Samuel but price is way too high
<JohnIngoldsby> Asante has always been a playmaker, even in his younger days as a nickel back
<Nanaman28> But the Pats are requiring 2 number one picks
<Guest99> that was in the paper today
<imsickofnextyear> Read that the Jets denied that
<Guest59> Asante was a playmaker but in 05 he had a pretty bad season. I still have that Denver play in my head still :(
<imsickofnextyear> I posted it
<Morpheus> Asante until last year was getting beaten like a drum..no offense John but he hasn't done enough for me to label him a playmaker
<Morpheus> I still maintain he has has only one good year
<NavyGoat> how did they look last two days at camp?
<TNPatsFan> he's definitely improved, but he's got serious consistency problems
<Nanaman28> Morpheus I agree a majority of his INTs were against par qbs so show us what you have and then get your payday
<Morpheus> yes Nana....I want him to show me what he can do this year..
<Nanaman28> I agree Morpheus ... you can call me Shane if you'd like
<Guest59> What are the chances Jake ""The Snake"" Plummer will be in a Pats uniform:)
<JohnIngoldsby> I have never heard about Jake with Pats
<imsickofnextyear> Any talk of Oliver?
<Morpheus> hell Asante still gets beaten like a drum every fade pattern
<Morpheus> ok Shane
<Guest59> I know I was just kidding, me and my friend just crack jokes about the snake.
<Morpheus> me either ...never heard even a rumor with the Pats...the pats don't need jake
<JohnIngoldsby> Good point, Morph, since he makes plays, but gives up some too
<Nanaman28> Matt Cassell is good enough of a backup for me ... did anyone see Vinny at minicamp?
<JohnIngoldsby> Vinny is looking great at camp, and he has the locker beside Randy, with Brady the other locker neighbor to Randy
<TNPatsFan> how's garrett mills look? will he take p.pass's spot?
<JohnIngoldsby> Mills looking good, and I would be surprised to see Patrick Pass here again
<Nanaman28> Nice Bill has a spot in his heart for the old man Vinny it seems
<JohnIngoldsby> Vinny is a true gentleman, the media loves him, and Randy said today that he had butterflies having the locker beside him
<Morpheus> lets talk about the tackle situation....
<Morpheus> the pat's aren't particularly please with the LT and RT...how are they looking so far and will the pats make a move to shore up the tackle spot or get another starter?
<JSinCT> Morpheus - Top Tackles... Light, KAczur with the Backups O'Callaghan and Britt I'm not so sure about the next level
<JSinCT> I think the issue with the backups is Oldenburg's ability to learn the system. He was pretty shaky in rookie minicamp
<JohnIngoldsby> The O Line probably has the least depth, and will be a battle between O'Callaghan and Kaczur. Clint Oldenburg is huge
<JohnIngoldsby> Britt is even bigger, probably the biggest guy in camp
<Guest109> without a doubt
<NavyGoat> Was Dave Thomas around at camp?
<JohnIngoldsby> No Dave Thomas sightings, but Kyle Brady is huge, and although his blocking is a given, he looks to be a good receiver as well
<Guest59> no chance fo the snake?
<Guest109> id like to see him
<Nanaman28> I think Welker and Brady are going to be the most important receiver pickups on this team even more than Stallworth and Moss
<TNPatsFan> oldenburg was a wasted pick. how are the other two rookie OL's looking? hilliard and elgin
<JohnIngoldsby> Hilliard had a bad first day of rookie camp, throwing up, but he is hanging in there. Elgin looking OK, nondescript
<JSinCT> TN - Hilliard, Elgin and Oldenburg were not participating in the 2-min drives at camp. they are on the sideline, but do substitute in for special teams.
<JohnIngoldsby> Welker looks absolutely fantastic, probably the most noticeable player on the field
<JSinCT> I think Elgin is the best of the lot of the rookies
<Guest8> is gutierrez getting any snaps in this minicamp
<gr365> I just got home, sorry i'm late. How are the younger LB's doing?
<JohnIngoldsby> Gutierrez is getting lots of snaps, and has serious zip on his passes
<JohnIngoldsby> All eyes are on Adalius at LB, but Mays, Bissinger, and Woods are seeing action as well
06/06/07 18:45:00 <TNPatsFan> how's lua doing?
06/06/07 18:45:25 <Nanaman28> Yeah I agree TN .... how is Lua doing .. I have heard great things about this kid
<gr365> I'm really interested in Pierre Woods has he got edge potential?
<JohnIngoldsby> Lua is seeing snaps as well, and I see him as a future special teams demon, maybe Larry Izzo's successor
<JohnIngoldsby> I spoke to Lua today and at rookie minicamp, and Junior Seau was his boyhood idol growing up in SoCal
<Nanaman28> Nice what a dream come true for him
<Guest8> do you think there is any chance gutz makes the roster or will they sign vinny for one season and put gutierrez on the practice squad
<JohnIngoldsby> I see them keeping Gutierrez, but not in place of Vinny, so probably practice squad
<JSinCT> agreed. If Vinny re-signs they need a roster spot
<JSinCT> Gut to the PS if they can sneak him on
<TNPatsFan> what is the severity of meriweather's hamstring problem? i wasn't even aware he was hurt
<JohnIngoldsby> Mum's the word on Meriweather from Belichick, but rumor has it as a hamstring
<gr365> Is BB really using Thomas and Brown on special teams?
<JSinCT> Everyone is on special teams. Koppen was playing outside RT on the FG unit. Harrison and Bruschi were regulars on ST, so yes
<Nanaman28> What is the latest on Brown's comeback?
<Nanaman28> Troy that is
<JohnIngoldsby> I would not be surprised, since Thomas is everywhere. Troy not in camp, but was at team golf tournament on Monday and looking happy
<JSinCT> GR, it's likely they'll participate on ST this year
<TNPatsFan> how's kareem brown look? is he playing DT or DE?
<JohnIngoldsby> Kareem is playing at both
<Guest8> how is o'callahan looking? he was a beast at cal
<JohnIngoldsby> O'Callaghan is looking good, and in the mix for a starting position
<Guest8> so except for experience do you see any drop in performance when gutz is in?
<JSinCT> welcom PD12189
<gr365> Back to LB which positions is Biss. and Woods playing?
<JohnIngoldsby> If Meriweather is not there tomorrow, then we will be waiting until training camp in late July
<Guest2> i better see randy moss catching some lasers
<JohnIngoldsby> Randy caught a laser yesterday, and made a nice grab today down around his ankles
<gr365> I heard Seymour is ripped this year..
<gr365> Lean and mean..
<JohnIngoldsby> He looked ripped at the MArquise Hill press conference last Thursday. An imposing specimen
<Nanaman28> No questions from this side of the house .... thanks so much for doing this chat Jon John and Morpheus
<Morpheus> Shane yvw
<JSinCT> anytime Shane
<Guest49> how does maroney look
<JohnIngoldsby> Maroney was in uniform, stretching today, but did not participate in drills or, for that matter, put his helmet on
<Guest49> how about sammy morris or possible backups...any ideas who's best now
<JohnIngoldsby> Morris is wearing a red jersey, but looking good
<Guest2> will the pats dominate the jets or will it be close
<TNPatsFan> who's the short yardage back this year? heath evans?
<Guest49> thanks TN
<JohnIngoldsby> I believe it will be Evans, who is getting a lot of touches catching short passes out of the backfield
<gr365> has anyone seen Hairston or Quadrine Hill?
<Morpheus> i don't thing evans is a good short yardage back
<Guest49> Does Morris look fast and strong
<Morpheus> he doesn't have the leg strengh or drive
<patriotsdynasty12189> Last I heard Hairston had troubles catching balls
<JSinCT> GR, I put your Hill answer in the Insider's lounge
<JohnIngoldsby> Morris shows real burst, and speed
<gr365> thanks J
<TNPatsFan> i agree morph. i like evans blocking on short yardage, not carrying
<Guest49> thanks john
<gr365> what about Mills at H-back?
<JSinCT> you're welcome... more will be there later
<Guest49> Was Kraft around today
<Guest49> Are J & R Kraft seen around a lot on field looking at all their new players?
<JohnIngoldsby> The team sang Happy Birthday to Robert Kraft at the beginning of practice yesterday
<Guest49> He must of loved that!
<Morpheus> he was getting stuffed too much - evans in short yardage situation
<Morpheus> dillon will be missed
<patriotsdynasty12189> Any news on Dillon guys?
<Guest142> what hurts more, tom being a yankee fan or losing to indy in a comeback victory only conjured by satan himself
<Morpheus> it was a given the pats would score a TD down on teh red zone short yardage with dillin
<JohnIngoldsby> By no means is Evans the optimal short yardage back, but they may have to use him. Could depend on Morris, and Faulk will see some of those carries as well
<JSinCT> Dillon was not getting the offers he wanted. So from what we're hearing, unless someoen gives him a good payday and a job offer, he's going to retire
<patriotsdynasty12189> We should try to pick him up.
<JSinCT> There's no one couting Dillon currently
<JSinCT> at least not accordign to what I'm being told
<imsickofnextyear> Chris Brown?
<TNPatsFan> is chris brown still an option.. even though he's not really a ""short yardage"" back?
<JSinCT> TN, I was told Brown's agents are looking for offers, and it's more interest from their angle than from the Pats at this time
<JSinCT> Word over the weekend was that Browm may be a trainign camp addition, but not a minicamp one
<JSinCT> *Chris Brown
<TNPatsFan> why is jonathan smith on this team? is he actually getting reps at WR? or just at KR?
<Guest49> Thanks guys for bringing this to us....gotorun!
<JSinCT> OK Gang... JOhn's got to go. I'd like to thank him for showing
<JSinCT> up and sharing his thoughts with us
<Morpheus> Thanks John...appreciate the time
<JSinCT> We'll try to have him on again next week
<Nanaman28> Thanks John
<TNPatsFan> thanks john
<gr365> thanks John, enjoy your pieces
<JohnIngoldsby> I enjoyed it, and thank you all for participating
<patriotsdynasty12189> Is it over
<JSinCT> I'll be here for a few more
<Morpheus> me too
<NavyGoat> thanks, guys
<patriotsdynasty12189> Its been real
<JSinCT> Thanks Navy
<JohnIngoldsby> Thanks for the feedback, gr365
<imsickofnextyear> Anything new on Chad Brown?
<JSinCT> ISONY... Not yet. The issue may be roster spots at this point. I expect them to release some of the bubble guys
<JSinCT> and that will make room for the draft picks and some of the other guys
<imsickofnextyear> Not going to be an easy cutdown...Thks for your time(all of you)
<JSinCT> YW ...
<JSinCT> Training camp tidbits.
<patriotsdynasty12189> Good imtes...
<JSinCT> Lua looks better than expected
<JSinCT> Mays looks good
<JSinCT> I like the look of Woods and I think he has a chance to stick
<TNPatsFan> always good to hear the young lb's are showing up
<JSinCT> Kelly Washington was dropping catchable passes. He looked ok before, but it may be trouble in a crowded group
<JSinCT> We really won't know about him till training camp, but Jabar Gaffney looked a lot better out there
<JSinCT> Bam Childress is going to be hard to cut
<TNPatsFan> will bam be on the practice squad again?
<JSinCT> He made a nice sideline catch, made the DB miss by spinning to the outside, went down using one hand to steady himself and popped out 10 yards downfield
<JSinCT> kid has some serious quicks
<TNPatsFan> wonder if he's got any trade value, like patrick cobbs last year
<JSinCT> Bam may make the PS... I don't believe he has enough tenure to get knocked out of eligibility yet
<JSinCT> Same with some of the other youngsters. Dunlap may not make it, but he did look good at rookie minicamp
<JSinCT> TN, he probably is worth a 7th, doubt a 6th. Teams will just wait for him to get cut
<JSinCT> DB is going the be the most interesting shakeout
<TNPatsFan> some teams needing WR's, like Tenn, must be watching our WR's this off season
<JSinCT> True TN, they could use the help.
<JSinCT> I was told by Marino that he thinks Caldwell won't make the roster
<JSinCT> I'm not sure about Caldwell getting cut, but I could see him getting traded
<TNPatsFan> DB's. I still think we need another CB, even if Asante comes back
<TNPatsFan> I don't think Richardson or Anam have what it takes to make the team. how do they look?
<JSinCT> DB's. No eddie Jackson again. No James Sanders today
<JSinCT> Anam made a faux pas and really blew his assignment on a guy running a route to the flats.
<JSinCT> the coach was yelling at him, but wasn't pissed. I think it was more, he just didnt' know his aassignement
<JSinCT> Richardson looks a lot more comfortable in the middle of the field
<JSinCT> he seems to know a little more. but you're right, they're both longshots
<TNPatsFan> i'm hearing a lot about willie andrews? is he going to see more time in the D-backfield this year? and will it be at safety or corner?
<JSinCT> Willie is at the Dime. I think we'll see him at the safety spot or in Dime coverage
<JSinCT> He's doing well on ST. He was the lead blocker for Eillis on those big returns
<JSinCT> It's going to be hard to knock him out of there, but it may come down to numbers
<TNPatsFan> i like willie. hope he can become a contributor on defense
<JSinCT> I think Willie has more to offer than some of the other guys. You could see he got some more personal attention last year by the coaching staff
<JSinCT> Don't forget about Gemara Williams
<JSinCT> the kid from Buffalo. I thought he got cut last year, but it was one of those weird non-football things
<TNPatsFan> interesting that gemara would be back. they must have seen something they like in him
<Guest49> did Seau talk about his arm at all? Good or bad?
<Morpheus> is mcginest going to get cut by the browns and come back here?
<JSinCT> 49, Seau did talk a little today. He didn't talk about the arm while I was talking to him, but I know he addressed it
<JSinCT> with some of the other media members. It's for protection
<JSinCT> I had to talk to Morris. I think John Ingoldsby has more on Seau coming
<JSinCT> Morph, I haven't heard yet. I can ask about the Browns situation, but I think he's done in New England
<Guest49> Ok thanks JS
<JSinCT> Sure 49. Will have more later I know because Seau was a big story today at camp. Check the Newswire as well, there's bound to be more on that in there
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